Dame Dash and Cam’ron get into some real talk in this clip from ‘Honor Up.’
Dame Dash’s ‘Honor Up,’ which is executive produced by Kanye West, hits theaters and On Demand on Feb. 16.
Stacey Dash doesn’t want to have anything to do with Dame Dash and Kanye West’s new movie.
The long-delayed movie stars Dame Dash, Cam’ron, and former Fox News personality Stacey Dash.
Dame Dash is coyly pumping the brakes on a borderline urban myth that he put hands on exiled executive Harvey Weinstein for some allegedly sexist behavior. In the midst of November’s seemingly never-ending stream of Weinstein sexual assault allegations, Cam’ron took to the booth and claimed Dash slapped Weinstein for his allegedly foul behavior. The statement came in the form of one of Cam’s bars on the Diplomats track “Once Upon a Time.”
“No disrespecting the ladies word from my team/That’s the reason Dame smacked Harvey Weinstein/On the set of Paid in Full y’all gave him hell about it/Some foul shit happened once Capo tell ’em ’bout it…” Cam rapped.
When TMZ asked Dash if he indeed “smacked Harvey Weinstein,” he didn’t directly deny putting the proverbial paws on Weinstein. Dash seemed to dance around the answer like someone who was acutely aware of New York’s laws about physical assault and battery.
“I could say that somebody definitely got smacked on the set of Paid in Full,” Dash said. “I’ve never really liked the way Harvey treated my culture. I didn’t like the way he talked to people. I ain’t like the way he was treating my film. I’ve owned clubs with him, and a lot of things that were being alleged, everyone knew what was going on.”
Dame offered more, and if you can get past the casual shade he throws at Just Blaze and Wood Harris, the statement that “a lot of things that were being alleged, everyone knew what was going on” is particularly disturbing.
Paid in Full was released in 2002, so there were at least a good 15 years of “everybody knew what was going on” before Weinstein had to face any consequences for decades of alleged sexual assaults.
If you can read between the lines, Dash’s refusal to outright say he didn’t slap Weinstein combined with him claiming he got sued over the smacking (without mentioning the involved parties) leaves more questions than answers.
More from Complex
- Bill Belichick Apologizes for Rob Gronkowski’s ‘Bullsh*t’ Late Hit on Tre’Davious White
- Blue Jays Analyst Gregg Zaun Fired from Sportsnet Due to ‘Inappropriate Behaviour’
- Eric Holder Responds to Donald Trump’s Claim That FBI’s Credibility Is in ‘Tatters’
- Taylor Swift’s ‘Reputation’ Tops the Charts For Third Week in a Row
- LL Cool J Will Become First Rapper to Receive a Kennedy Center Honor
On today’s Everyday Struggle, Joe Budden, DJ Akademiks, and Nadeska run through the day of news, which includes a rumor involving Jay Z and the Super Bowl, Cam’ron possibly dissing Hov, Dame Dash selling his Roc plaques and sneakers on eBay, and much more. Additionally, the crew dive deep into the Kevin Hart situation and its latest developments.
More from Complex
- Young Thug and Carnage Drop New Collab “Liger”
- Sean Leon Shows off His “Hollywood Tarantino Flow” on His New Track
- 6th Grade Teacher Suspended After Assigning Kodak Black Lyrics as Homework
- Joe Budden and DJ Akademiks Break Down Jay Z Super Bowl Rumor on ‘Everyday Struggle’
- Lonzo Ball Scraps His First Shoe, Introduces Redesigned Model
“Get Throwed” is a landmark song for Houston rap music, and means much more beyond being a massive single off Bun B's first solo album, Trill. After UGK linked up with Jay Z on 2000's “Big Pimpin,” they were catapulted to a new level of fame, so Jay coming back and returning the favor with a feature only felt right.
But there's apparently a little bit more history to the song than we knew. During a new interview on the Rap Radar Podcast, Bun B confessed that Jay's appearance wasn't as innocent as it may have seemed on first glance. The Houston legend says Jay was clapping at someone on “Get Throwed,” and it sounds like it may have been someone close to him.
“If you listen to 'Get Throwed,' to Jay's verse—to some people it's going to be clearer than others—but there were shots fired in bars 8-12, and there were more shots from bars 12-16,” Bun B explains. “This was before [Nas]. This was more internal. You go back and listen to it, that's the only clue I'm going to give you.”
— Rap Radar (@RapRadar) August 16, 2017
There are only 15 bars in Jay's verse, so we'll have to assume Bun meant 12-15 in his claim. But this begs the question: who the hell was Jay firing at on “Get Throwed,” and why? First, let's parse through the actual lyrics in question, starting from bar eight.
The competition is none, they deceased to exist
Let it breathe a little bit
He's off his rocker, he's a lil schiz'
Throwed like a football, Hov' used to cook raw
Now I got the game sewn like granny's good shawl
Pshaw, y'all niggas want war
Y'all got it backwards, y'all should want raw
Y'all should want more
The timeline suggested by Bun makes it really difficult to tell. Though “Get Throwed” came out in 2005, Bun claims this is something that came “before” his beef with Nas. What that means is anyone's guess; is Bun referring to how far Jay's relationship with the person goes back, or the period in which Jay was angered enough to pen these bars?
Things only really started to pick up between Jay and Nas around the turn of the century, but they had been trading subliminal shots for a lot of the mid-to-late 1990's. If Jay's animosity for someone in his crew goes back that far, it has to be someone real close. Either that, or Bun doesn't have the best grasp of the timeline, but he's the narrator here, so we gotta roll with it a little bit.
Here are a few of the strongest candidates.
I know, I know, Bun insists this is not about Nas. But you have to raise the question any time a Jay diss from that time period is mentioned, and it's not totally unfounded.
It's unclear whether the line about being a “lil schiz'” (short for schizophrenic) is referring to Jay himself or the person in question, but duplicity is something Jay attacked Nas hard for during their infamous battle. He referenced it briefly on “Takeover,” when he told the story about showing Nas his first Tec-9, but went even further on the title track of Blueprint 2. “Is it 'Oochie Wally Wally' or is it 'One Mic'? Is it 'Black Girl Lost' or shorty owe you for ice?”
The reference to “war” was also a trademark of his beef with the Queensbridge native. “If you want war then it's war it's gon' be,” he said on the BP2 intro, and he told the “little soldier” he wasn't ready for war on “Takeover.” There's a lot of circumstantial evidence suggesting Nas is the party in question.
But we'll take Bun's word for it on this one, and besides, by 2006 the two rappers were linking up for a song on Hip Hop Is Dead, the infamous “Black Republicans.” I doubt they'd be working together a year after “Get Throwed” if the battle was still raging on.
Here's a candidate that would appear to fit all the criteria for a good target. Dame Dash and Jay have a long and storied history together, having partnered with Kareem “Biggs” Burke to launch Roc-A-Fella Records in 1996, and nothing can build resentment like the passage of time. As Bun mentioned, this was allegedly an internal struggle, and given how influential Dame and Jay's voices were in any internal Roc-A-Fella conversations, there's no doubt they had some serious battles over the years.
During the mid-2000s, as the Roc's star started to rise, Jay and Dame began to clash even more, eventually leading to their separation as business partners. In interviews about their split conducted in the years since, other members of the Roc have admitted that Dame got a little too big for his britches. Consider what Beanie Sigel said in 2012.
“Dame was spending a lot of company money, going on a lot of trips and to other business ventures, robbing Peter to pay Paul,” he said. “Taking money from outta here and trying to build a brand and stuff, without consulting with his partners. That's what sort of really brought demise to Roc-A-Fella.”
When Dame did take his talents elsewhere, he started up a completely new venture, Roc4Life (which would eventually become Dame Dash Music Group), and tried to undercut Jay by taking some of his talent. That would explain Jay referring to multiple people wanting war in his verse; the shade was directed at Dame, but it also hints at the artists flocking with him to a new label.
Of course, there's one group in particular the two parties had a massive conflict over.
Cam'ron and the Diplomats
This is the answer that probably makes the most sense. Killa Cam and the gang coming to Roc-A-Fella in the first place was primarily orchestrated by Dash, a childhood friend of Cam'ron, and Jay was never really on the inside track of that relationship.
Though the partnership was successful and led to Cam's Come Home With Me going platinum on Roc-A-Fella, there was never a proper level of trust between all parties. Jim Jones and Dash accused Jay of stealing the beat that would become “Izzo (H.O.V.A.)” during a studio session in 2001, claiming the track was originally promised to Cam'ron. To make matters worse, Jay was in Europe and out of the loop when Dame Dash announced at a 2002 listening party that Cam'ron would be promoted to Vice President of Roc-A-Fella; Jay denied the promotion over the phone, and it was all downhill from there.
As it relates to “Get Throwed,” the bars seen up top can probably be seen as a shot at the Diplomats and Dame Dash simultaneously. Dame went off and did his own thing starting in 2004 following the sale of Roc-A-Fella to Def Jam, and he brought his friends along with him. Saying “y'all should want more” could be taken as a hint to Cam'ron, Jim Jones, and Juelz Santana that they were getting fucked over in whatever deal they had with Dash. Since Jay had worked with Dash for the majority of his career up until that point, he probably had an inkling of what they were in for.
Cam's first real shots at Jay didn't come until 2006 when he dropped “You Gotta Love It,” so Jay coming through with the subliminal in '05 may have been enough to prompt a full-scale attack from Cam and Co. later on. And if we're interpreting Cam's first Jay diss as a response to the bars on “Get Throwed,” there's even a not-so-subtle hint to back it up at the end of “You Gotta Love It.” Throwing the war line back at Jay, Cam apologizes to Beyoncé for what's about to go down with her man: “I'm sorry B, but I want a war.”
The real answer to the “Get Throwed” question is that it's probably intended to mock Dash, the Diplomats, and anyone else who was planning to team up with them in order to undermine Jay. The Diplomats were never really known as the most stable set of personalities in the world, so the schizophrenic nod could also be a nod to their eccentric, colorful (in Cam's case, literally colorful) personalities, which are either a flaw or a feature depending on how you feel about their music.
We'll probably never know if that's the answer for sure, because Jay doesn't do a whole lot of talking about old beef these days. But all signs point in this direction, so for now, it's what we'll choose to believe.
More from Complex
- Trump’s Lawyer Attempts to Prove He’s Not Racist by Posting Pics of Him With Black People
- Who Was Jay Z Shooting at on “Get Throwed”?
- Footage From LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, and Kevin Durant’s Star-Studded Pickup Game Looks Insane
- ‘Game of Thrones’ Theory Predicts Daenerys Will Save Jon Snow and Obliterate a Bunch of White Walkers
- Kim Kardashian Giving a Pass to Racism Couldn’t Have Come at a Worse Time
In 2016, tour merch became a legitimate trend. Kids were wearing The Life of Pablo T-shirts as often as Supreme tees. Lines snaked around the block for Drake's Summer Sixteen concert merch. But YG, who just dropped his new single “Pop It, Shake It” last week, says 4Hunnid isn't just merch; it's a real clothing line.
What exactly makes it different? To show us, YG invited us to his private birthday party at his house in L.A. In the interview above, the rapper talks about being inspired by what Jay Z and Dame Dash did with Rocawear, working with 4Hunnid creative director and friend Gavin Matthieu on the new collection, and where he'd like to take 4Hunnid. You can cop the first drop of the new collection online; the second release will be available at the end of the month.
More from Complex
‘I don’t feel entitled to nothing he’s got,’ Dame tells Details magazine.
Jay-Z’s former business partner Dame Dash posted a Vine video this week, documenting his first listen of Hov’s new album Magna Carta Holy Grail. “In the barber shop listening to jays new album….I can’t front… I still like hearing [his] pop sh– cause I know he’s telling the truth….” he wrote in the caption. “Proud to be be a part of that..#bittersweet.” Watch above.